Normally our Dive Deep Interviews are video interviews. This conversation was originally recorded for the No More Perfect Podcast. After it was recorded, Jill said, “Wow I wish I’d done that as a video for our No More Perfect Date Night members.” After listening to it Mark suggested that we share it as an audio anyway–the content was just that good and so applicable to marriage.

PeggySue Wells shares about so many important aspects of relationships—this applies to marriage, but also parenting, work relationships, extended family, and more!

Talk About It

What’s one takeaway from this interview for you personally?

Can you share a time when you’ve told yourself a story about a situation in our marriage?

Think About It

Lord, show me where I bring the 5 R’s to the relationships that mean the most to me.

What story am I making up in my head about a hard part of my marriage right now?

Where am I walking in the flesh and I need to start walking in the Spirit?

Notes and Quotes


The reason we feel rejected is because we make up a (wrong) story about a fact.
That (wrong) story determines how we now interact (wrongly) with the other person.

“This very well may not be about me at all.”

“People do what they do for their own reasons and it’s rarely about me.”

If we stop the stories and stop the rejection, we will be unlikely to go through the other unhealthy R’s.

Romans 12:18–“As much as it depends upon you, live at peace with one another.”

Undo resentment with gratitude. Focus on the thing you do have, not what you don’t have.

Undo revenge by giving.

Emotion: something happened to my heart. Take that thing that happened to God.

PeggySue’s Blog Post About The Five R’s